Can A Director Make a Film without looking through the Lens?

[twister!]

Originally posted by belovedmonster:
yeah but didnt hitchcock make the movie in storyboard form and then essentialy see filming it afterwards as a chore?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Correct. And on the looking through the lens issue - somebody once asked him why he never did and he replied 'I don't need to - they know what I want'.

[Alex]

Originally posted by GREATwarEAGLE:
When I originally posed the question, I meant it to be rhetorical. The point being, "what else should I, as the director, be doing to direct the film?"

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Rhetorical?

Perhaps then it was rhetorical because you were refering to my question from another topic post that went unanswered?

That question was "Would you rather participate on a successful movie having done one specific task and being credited for that specific task, or be successful on a movie in which you did two or three tasks and were credited for each specific task you performed?"

It seems like you are now going down the same road as I was then.

In my opinion, a director needs to know the camera frame at all times so they can correlate an actors gestures and emoting with the actors relative size in the scene as captured by the camera/dp.

Originally posted by GREATwarEAGLE:
Remember, Alex, I used my father as a carpenter as an example? - He was a carpenter who built huge decks by himself. This was like over a year ago.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes I remember that topic post quite well, you seemed to get somewhat offended at my analogy/response and stopped posting on my forum.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ November 04, 2003 12:52 AM: Message edited by: Alex ]</font>

[Alex]

[quote]Originally posted by GREATwarEAGLE:

What I remember is somehow offending you, which resulted in you deleting my post,

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Originally posted by Alex:
I'll have to research that. I don't recall it occuring that way.

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This response will be of no interest to anyone but Great War Eagle, (and perhaps may be of little interest to GWE).....

However I said I would respond to GWE's claim and one month later, here is the response.

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GWE, below is your quote that I deleted. The reason I deleted it from my forum well over a year ago is that your statement about my going "12 rounds with someone" on my forum was inaccurate.

The post you were referring to was an e-mail cut and paste post I made about my email debate with an Ebay seller who had defrauded me in an auction.

The person I went back and forth with was not a forum member but an ebay seller. You mistakenly implied that the debate had taken place on my forum when it had not, and it was not with a forum member anyway, but a debate with someone who misrepresented the condition of the camera they were selling on ebay and in the process profited handsomely. Anyway, here is the portion of the infamous post that made me delete the entire post.

[quote]Originally posted by GREATwarEAGLE:

I think you kinda lost me on that last post, but no need to clarify. I'm really not interested in spending the remainder of the summer going back and forth on this. I've seen you go 12 rounds with someone else on this site and it's just too much.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The ebay's seller lying about the condition of the camera drove the auction price 500% over what I had paid for the exact same camera a few months earlier, and that camera worked!

You implied that I had had a 12 round debate with a forum member when that 12 round post was never made on my forum in the first place. It was an email discourse with the ebay seller and it ocurred via email, not on my forum.

[quote]Originally posted by GREATwarEAGLE:

then I mentioned how filmmakers should be allowed to be independent, then you began writing about interdependence and the thread went into an entirly new direction, one that I was no longer intereseted in. Believe me, I never take offense on this web site.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Incorrect. I created a new topic thread called Happy Interdependence Day which was in reference to July 4th holiday in the United States. It wasn't meant as a knock against you.

[Kev Owens]

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[Alex]

Kev, spoken like a true fly on the wall. (although I don't think you were around back then, were you?)

In the United States what I consider to be the biggest ongoing marketing scam is the use of the word "independence" by the U.S. government and by corporations.

The United States is probably the biggest "interdependent" country on the planet. From a marketing point of view, the word interdependence
is a horrible phrase to use to manipulate the masses into believing their sh-t doesn't stink.

Bragging about being interdependent just doesn't cut it, but saying one is independent has a strong and forceful ring to it.

My discussion with Great War Eagle about his dad's craftsmenship as being based on an interdependence issue rather than an independence inspired the idea for the "Happy Interdependence Day" topic post, but it was never meant as a knock to Great War Eagle or his dad.

[Alex]

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[Kev Owens]

Kev, spoken like a true fly on the wall. (although I don't think you were around back then, were you?)

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What a pity, eh?

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ November 16, 2003 01:09 PM: Message edited by: Kev Owens ]</font>

[Kev Owens]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">[img]wink.gif[/img] Good one.

[Brainmuncher]

Can a director make a film without looking through the lens?

**** NO!

I have tried and I have failed...and that was with some minor peeks through it now and again.
Maybe someone with more foresight, expereince and ability could judge angles etc etc but I ended up with random limbs from crew member's et al.

[GREATwarEAGLE]

Remember, Alex, I used my father as a carpenter as an example? - He was a carpenter who built huge decks by himself. This was like over a year ago.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I guess I'm sorry I brought it up. I should have left it alone, dead in the past. I only brought it up to illustrate a point, not to resume any animosity. As you'll note when I did bring it up, I wasn't derogatory or instigating anything in any way.

This is me waving a white flag. This is me offering a hand to shake. My response to all the above is the same as my response in flaming won't be tolerated

No you haven't offended me. I believe I've posted before, I take absolutely nothing on this message board personally. Same goes for that silly-sonuvabitch whose pants I just started out being an itch in (my father). I could care less and I'm sure he could too.

So...

Moving on...